| Author |
Message |
Beatrice
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:09 pm: | |
I guess I am a 'tweener' also...I actually enjoy wearing a dress for Church or special occasions... |
Peg/Toader.
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:28 am: | |
Namaste' Ladies!
Just stepped in to looked around and say hello
to you all. I see our Family is growing
steadily in members. As with any family,there
is bound to be both agreement & disagreement.
Just remember....Love is the thread that weaves
us all together in Life's tapestry. (O:
*Peg/Toader*. |
mitch
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 3:14 am: | |
donna
please don't stay away from chat because one lesbian came into the middle of a conversation and got it wrong. but remember we all can have our own ideas and that some will be very different to yours.
perhaps we should agree to disagree.
i do regret that u have stayed away as there are
many fine lesbians to chat to
@ altladies 65 please come back donna
mitch |
BR
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 3:00 pm: | |
Oh yeah, almost forgot, the butch-femm thing...
I identify as a Poet... As a woman, I reserve the right to change my mind without any notice however. 
I have, however, friends from all walks of life and all genders, and I respect them for who they are, not what they are.
They are my friends because something clicked, and I simply do not care about labels...
It would be a once in a lifetime thing, if I was to throw a party and invite my friends en masse, because in reality, most of them only have me in common, nothing much else. I can invision it if I try, my Leather Dominatrix friend, trying to strike up a conversation with my Housewife with 2.3 kids friend, trying to find something to say to my gay male friend who is a flaming Queen, and lets just throw in an old grizzled war veteran into the mix just to make it interesting and the list goes on and on... |
BR
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 7:43 am: | |
I'll have to see about how I can manage to be awake when all of you are here. I am fairly nocturnal as it is, but time zones being what they are...
gets out calculator to calculate the calculations 
I hope I do catch you'all, I miss just goofing off...
 |
tooshy not so red
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 9:14 pm: | |
((((Black Raven)))))
you found us I see. I generally stroll through in the evenings after work sometime between 6:30 and 8pm PDT.
Come play if you can... (I've grown out my hair) |
LadyBug
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 10:56 pm: | |
Black Raven! There you are!...just think of the Canada time -- Stone Butch and I come in here around 10:00 p.m. when we chat here. Drop us a "personal" email again other than your website emails..we would love to hear how you are doing. We just came back from vacation..drove through the U.S. to Newfoundland and back through Canada...met chat friends in Nova Scotia. We rested nicely but wish we were filthy rich and not have to go back to work LOL!...but we do have enoyable jobs! Looking forward to seeing you in here some time. Hugs |
EM
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 3:15 pm: | |
Hello, Black Raven. You reside in South African, eh?
The Ladies generally gather during the evenings, U.S.A time, so that would be approximately 3am-8am, your time. You might catch a few of the OZ and NZ Ladies in attendence at later times, but I am unable to guarantee that.
Please do visit if at all possible.. you shall not regret it, I believe.
Good day to you, Black Raven.
EM
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EM
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 2:58 pm: | |
Hey, Carol!
It has been a while, Lady!
Kindly convey my greeting to your Mette.
It sounds as though life is treating you both very well.
I would be most happy to post your Work here, Carol. Send it on.
Drop by for a visit some time, eh?
EM
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BR
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:20 pm: | |
Stone Butch , Lady Bug, Tooshyred, LadyBow when do you all chat here anyway? I am in the GMT +2 timezone here...
 |
cking
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 9:54 pm: | |
HEY EM! My babe chick is asleep beside me and I browsed back by to catch up with all ya'll after so long. It has been too long. Glad to see so many familiar names and ladies! I'm still classifying myself as a femme with a fishing pole that only wears dresses and skirts to work and to teach Sunday School (nobody go there, I've taught 1st grade for 15+ years!) I'm still darn more comfortable in my S---kicking boots and shorts!
I've been traveling to London and back and forth a few times to Norway to visit with Mette's family. Yes, still so in love, going on 4 1/2 years can you believe it! (See lit section- Back To Me!)
We're having fun and the kids are getting big! We're off this week to vacation in Arkansas to hunt Diamonds at the only place in the US to find them! Crater of Diamonds if you rockhounds need direction.
I've been writing a few new stories and working on a Poetry Collection. Now that the kids are more self sufficient it helps!
My darling Mette, to stay on topic is what I would call a Femme Butch Blend. Always cheeky with her nice femme jewelry, earings and style. She still looks better in a slinky dress and satin shirt then me but I can't get those boy shoes off her feet! OK she does flat heel dressy shoes when we have to. She mostly likes to dress in slacks, shorts, boy shirts with a collar but I have to say with those breasts you'd never think butch! She's gonna kill me if she ever reads this. I have to say that it is more her manarisms that make her come off more butch then fem, like she always has to open doors for me and gets her browe up if I don't let her. So sweet. But it's funny, poor girl won't put a worm on a hook! That's where my butch rev comes in, slimy worms, camp fire pyro, handyman repairs...
OK bottom line is we compliment each other with our attributes and shift and change our butch/fem roles around pleasantly enough to confuse any alian watching us from a far and ourselves too!
Again, so nice to drop in and say hello. I'll send new "stuff" to hopefully make you smile or at least drip a little since I've been doing lots of "research", heh, heh, heh.
Happy 4th of July to you EM. Most beautiful site and updates as always,
Kisses,
Carol in the Carolinas, cking |
Lesa
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 9:46 am: | |
Hi to my new found friends. I just had to say that this is the BEST lesbian chat that I have ever been on. To the people that I chatted with,
You welcomed me and i appreciate that so much.
I look forward to chatting with you all again very soon.
Take care,
Lots of Love to all
Lesa |
LadyBug
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 8:56 pm: | |
Smiling@Mouse's Ear!..I did not know that about you my friend!! Thank you Tendermorsel and MousesEar for presenting the *other side* of a successful lesbian relationship "with" children and the joys which ensued. I am sure had I met a fine woman in my younder Mom days that I too would have had that fine experience...either way...the key thing to remember is that "Self Matters" and to make the very best of what you are living now..handle the priorities of raising your children...either on your own with community help or with a loving partner. Those women, whom you say do not like to raise children are simply then not to be in your life..but yes...there are others out there who do. *S* |
Mouses Ear
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 7:43 pm: | |
Unicorn.. I reared 3 boys - 2 boys with My first lover.. The Children were Not Mine , nor hers... We reared them during the 60'ds - The Mothers were drug addicted and couldn't care for them- We loved , cared, and taught them until the mothers were drug free and responsible once again-
After My first lover and I went our "separate ways" I met another Lover spent 8 years with her and her son -
all the chilren We reared are now grown and very sucessful In their careers and Most importantly,
Are wonderful loving and caring men- *SS* |
Tendermorsel
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 5:54 pm: | |
Dear Unicorn, my partner has 2 children, Brittany 10 and Mark now 12... of course when we met 3 years ago they were even younger. I never, ever looked at Dawn w/o her children. Looking back I still think they would have had to come as complete package or I would not have wanted anything for our futures. It is hard to build a step family in any context, but with perserverence and love it slowly shapes itself into a family..I feel the only "STEPS" in our home lead to the basement......Keep up the faith and when the time is right, things will happen... |
Unicorn41
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 7:10 pm: | |
LadyBug,
Thanks for the note of encouragement.
:-) Uni |
LadyBug
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 1:23 pm: | |
Dear Donna & Unicorn,
I also was a single parent with two sons - my goal was to meet the challenge of raising them with joy, adventure, values and in meaningful time -- I was successful "without a partner" (felt I could not handle a "3rd baby" as some turn out to be lol!) but used the resources of wonderful friends and relatives and kept a positive attitude and love for life. . They grew up to be fine young men (not without some struggles of course)...and as they got ready to leave the nest..I "came out" -- was ready to make it "my time now"...fell in love with a fine woman (Stone-Butch) and am now enjoying the "best time of my life"! So don't despair -- when you least expect it....*S* |
Donna
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 11:44 pm: | |
Hi Unicorn,
I know what you mean about it being hard to find someone when you have kids. I'm in the same boat. I'm in my early 40's with two young sons, ages 4 and 6 and everyone runs from me. For me, I find that most people don't want to get involved in a serious relationship with someone with kids. So, I've accepted the fact that it's just my sons and I.
Donna |
Sheryl
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 8:44 pm: | |
I identify as femme. You can tell by the picture on my bio in Gallery 6 page H, that I can't be without hair color and makeup. I'm all for smearing it on.
I do all the femme type hobbies and barely know a hammer from a screwdriver.
My mannerisms are all femme.
My lovers have all been butch. |
Unicorn41
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 1:50 pm: | |
ok My ideal person is a woman who loves me and my daughter. Why is so hard to find anyone in their 40's who is willing to have a young child iin the house? |
Anonamous
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 9:22 pm: | |
Women who seek eqality with men lack ambition. |
Toader.
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 10:48 pm: | |
*Sisters*.
Let's use our hands;
To band & understand,
Hold another's who has
known only a Life time of abuse,
Open your hearts and let Love loose.
Make the words you speak
be a soothing balm;
to bring healing & calm.
We all have the right to what each one
feels or thinks;
Be it verbal or written in ink.
This is how we learn from one another;
Women who love women,and love each other,
Cousin,niece,Aunt,Grandmother,Mother;
All women.....all Sisters.
Namaste'.....*Toader*. |
freedommm
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 8:20 pm: | |
I have always been butch. An over achiever. Always proving that I can do anything a man can do, in less time, for less money. I work on cars, weld, electrical, plumbing, masonry, carpentry and Im a hell of a good cook. I do not have peter envy however. I'm quite happy with my own tools... |
r.e.s.p.e.c.t.
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 3:58 pm: | |
Let us all embrace our lesbian sisters whatever words they may use to describe their situation. We have far too much of a phobia from the hetero community without disrespecting each other in a lesbian chat space. Taking each woman as an individual and understanding her struggles as a gay woman is far more important than who she lies with. Women all over the world have been used, abused, beaten, maimed and killed just because they are women (hetero or homo). Lets not add to the list by being angry with one another because we differ from each other. Different is good, hate and anger are horiffic coming from one woman toward another. We are all in the same boat, let us row and find calm seas together. This way we can outride any storm. |
Stone-Butch
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 11:27 pm: | |
Good stuff Mouses Ear and might I add a couple of books to your list:
"Gender Trouble"....Judith Butler (concerning fixed gender identities)
"Outing Yourself".....MichelAngelo Signorile (great for younger gays trying to come out to family and peers)
Says you cant use the word so Q for queen U for unicorn E for ear E for ear R for rose add it up "***** in America"...Michelangelo Signorile ( (Sex, the Media, and the Closets of Power)
"Stone Butch Blues"...Leslie Feinberg (self explanitory and my favorite gay author)
"Trans Liberation"...Leslie Feinberg (Beyone Pink and Blue)
"The Masculine Female"... I need to research the author...(Who says males own the word masculine) |
Mouses Ear
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 4:10 pm: | |
I went to Sea colony and Music Box and The Swing lounge in the village.. also the Flame on Fire Island-
I was visiting New york from Miami -
I will say that in Miami , We went through week-end raids , recieved many blows to the head from police in defense of the visious remarks made to our Lovers - I was even hoged tied twice tossed in paddy wagons many times- ect..
We were even stopped buy police en route to a the clubs
Yes, times have changed, however, the struggle continues |
rowan
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 12:36 pm: | |
oops! just thought of something. while reading this, i see a lot of y'all were at the stonewall or in that crowd then. wonder how many of us went to the same bars? "washington square" "sea colony" what was the one on 14th st? there was fran bell's in nyack. |
rowan
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 12:30 pm: | |
well hi there. i was browsing on the site today and found this ongoing discussion. hmm stonebutch, you are stonewall survivor? so am i. was there that night. ki-ki is a term i haven't heard in years. used to be popular in the 60s to describe lesbians who were neither butch nor femme. me? i'm femme. long hair, long nails (when i don't break em). i am most comfortable in dresses or skirts, but will wear jeans, sweats, shorts, etc. like to keep my hair and makeup done. this is what i like. i'm attracted to butches. but i think every woman should just be who she is. i don't understand why we all need to compartmentalize outselves and everyone else. i think all women are beautiful and that's about it. namaste |
Mouses Ear
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 4:35 pm: | |
Butch Femme
It may have started with sappho and her gyrl -jocks. We don't know cuz we don't have pictures and she didn't write any odes to her strong woman in short skirt (the greek equivalent of cross dressing)
But Butch/Femme still has a long herstory and one which can't be ignored good books on the subject:
Coming out
Alyson, Sasha,ed Young, Gay
and Proud!, Boston: Alyson 1985
Holmes, Sarah,ed Tesimonies:A collection of lesbian Coming out
Stories, Boston, Alyson 1988
Bi Any Other name: Bisexual People Speak out: Alyson ,1988
Sexuality
Califia, Pat Sapphistry: The book of lesbian Sexuality, Illustrations by Tee Corrine, Tallahasse: Naiad Press 1980
Loulan, JoAnn: lesbian Sex, minneapolis: Spinsters ink. 1984
Samois Collective. coming to power: writing and graphics on lesbian S/M Boston Alyson 1981
Roles have changed in our recent past Where a Butch would be vilified for wearing a dress, or pursuing another Butch, now there's the femme/femme relationships, butch cross dressing in house balls ( paris is burning) and an unoffical Butch/femme continuum, not unlike the lesbian Continuum except it's not that obvious
There's five CAT E gories:
Butch (this might be "stone" butch, or just plain out there about her role)
Femmy Butch (A little harder to call.)
Butchy Femme (Again , a little harder to call)
Femme (You know one when you see her)
"I'm not into roles" (often this is true. Sometimes this is about denial)
To assess where a woman falls in the continuum, here's a handy check list to help., wink
1. Does she change her own oil?
Butch, Femmy Butch, Butchy Femme.
2. Does she look like she'd rather die than wear a dress?
Butch
3. Does She call you up when there's a large bug in her apeartment?
Cannot assess. No one like bugs in their apartment.
4. Does she actually get a manicure?
Could be any.
Does she come back with French tips and ruby red nail polish?
Butchy Femme. Femme
5. Is she on a first name basis with the guys who work in her office building?
Butch, Femmy Butch (less likely)
6.Which sports does she play?
Softball : Butch, Femmy butch, Butch in Denial.
Tennis: Femme, Butchy Femme, Femme in denial
Rugby: Butch (you don't even have ato ask anymore for this one)
Golf: Femmy Butch, Butchy Femme.
Badminton : Femme
Bowling: any cat E gory < mouse dislikes CAT! word
7. If she and a friend are traveling by car, does she ago-nize when NOT driving?
Butch, Femmey Butch, Butchy Femme.
8. If she's at Wally World, where does she gravitate?
Discount Cosmetics: Femme, Butchy Femme.
Work clothes: Butch.
Appliances: Butchy Femme.
9. Is she a control queen?
Yes: Butch, Femme
NO: all others
10. Does she try and dress you up in suits and ties when you go out?
Yes: Femme, Butchy Femme
(Guess what that makes you) |
tooshy not so red
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 8:13 pm: | |
ROTFLMAO - well now I sometimes wear boots but doubt seriously if Stone would be caught dead in mine - LOL as I'm ALWAYS femme. *W* and there have been times in my life when my son's had hair way longer than mine - I have extremely heavy hair and if it's long I have migraines - thus I have very short - and certainly highly femme hair. - Once again you got my attention *S* - |
Stone-Butch
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 9:40 pm: | |
Goldie, I dont always wear boots but I am always butch LOL. I do like the way you put it however "I just figure communicating involves certain words and terms that are needed to convey an intention". Beautifully worded. I wish I had said it. I certainly would not judge you on a haircut as some of my very butch friends like longer hair as well so if the femmes like your curls, you go butch....... |
goldie
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:35 pm: | |
I Completely identify as BUTCH, Although more often than i like,, in chat rooms i get "you dont look BUTCH" Well, I feel Butch is an energy, not a Haircut. Just cause i like me curly locks (and the femmes do as well), and i dont wear leather, or bigo o boots...would look sily on the beach... doesn`t make me a tweener, or not sure who I am attracted to. I dont get ppl who claim they dont like "labels", well i just figure communicating involves certain words and terms that are needed to convey an intention. |
Jo-NM
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 5:33 pm: | |
It's good to see women talking about these beginnings. I was 15 when the Stonewall uprising happened, and when I came out a few months later, into a very "political" group of radical lesbians, it was all anyone could talk about. The women in my group were in total awe of those women and men who stood up to the NYPD.
It took me many years to find my own niche as a "radical feminist femme" or the "femme-with-power-tools". Although I definitely identify as femme, I am just as much a strong woman who can take care of herself. Even weirder for some folks, I am equally attracted to both butches and femmes, and no I am NOT a tweener.
I'm really glad for the acceptance and understanding that is expressed on this board.... it's really too bad that it was (is) hard for some of the feminist-identified lesbians to relate to the old school butches and femmes, after all everybody is facing the same narrow-minded prejudices. |
Stone-Butch
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 10:00 pm: | |
Sali, my hat is off to Stormie. Many of the Toronto and I am sure all over the world, cities of gays broke their silence after that night. So many gays here were put in jail by the police and many men were beaten and many women raped, yes, by police. A dear friend of mine was parked at the lake with her g/f and a police car came into the park and after beating and handcuffing my friend to the squad car (two teeth missing and a broken arm), they proceeded to rape her g/f. There was noone to tell and if you reported it surely they would search you out. Thank the powers that be for Stonewall and the healing hand it helped place on the gay community.... |
sali
| | Posted on Sunday, May 25, 2003 - 9:17 pm: | |
Stone ,if you remember that night one of the main rebels was Stormie Delavelier (SP). The old "jewel Box Revue" drag dyke who led the rebellion against the tactics of the NYC police. We finally had it with the strip searches and taunts by the NYC police. We had reached the point where are bars were forever being raided and our fellow gays subjected to indignities that were totally uncalled for. The Homophobic NYC police dept found out we were no longer going to sit ildly by while they stormed our only citadels ,our bars. That night and the 3 nights that followed were in part led by Stormie. Now she sits quietly in a resturant on 23 st, ,talking to the young men on a saturday night,who come in unafraid in full drag. I salute her bravery and those men who with her took a stand I wasn't willing to take. She and they freed Christopher st. and 7th Ave. She and they made the Morton St. pier a place of refuge for all the gays of NYC. Stonewall Certainly was a turning point . The gay movement had it's birth that night. And its midwife was Stormie and a rousing group of irate young men. |
carol_ca
| | Posted on Sunday, May 25, 2003 - 9:00 pm: | |
Your Very Welcomed, Stone Butch and Thank You for reminding me about the men who stood up in drag that night. I forgot about that and yes, Lots of men and women sacrificed much for us, to be able to be who we are today and where we are. |
Stone-Butch
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 9:53 pm: | |
Carol, I have not been in to read messages in a while and was pleased to see your comment. We all have looked at the history of the world but not a great percentage of us have looked at gay history. It was not so very long ago we had no voice to contribute to society and thanks to the few gay men who stood up in drag one night in New York at the Stonewall Inn and said NO MORE when they were being herded to paddy wagons by police and stood their ground only to be joined by other men and women who had also suffered in silence. All over the world "Stonewall" became the word of the day and there were massive Stonewalls right up to the steps of the White House. Many years have passed since that evening in 1969 and because of it like any other war for equality, our soldiers should be commended for their sacrifice so we could be closer to the freedom we now enjoy. A long way to go yet but a long way past since that night. Thank you Carol, you lifted my spirit very high. |
Donna
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 7:42 pm: | |
Ok, here is a topic change. My cousin sent me an email with a bunch of questions and one was, if you could create the ideal person to be, who would you be made up of using their qualities.
Here is mine:
The ideal person for me would be made up of:
The looks of Garbo
The generosity of Maude Adams
The free spirit of Viveca Lindfors
The mind of Dr. Helen Caldicott
The voice of Ethel Barrymore
The wit of Tallulah Bankhead
The strength of Helen Keller
The superb talent of Eva Le Gallienne
and I wouldn't mind having some of
Le Gallienne's power of seduction.
and
The heart of ME. |
HANK@™
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 5:24 pm: | |
Well I for one think this subject has run its course...but that is MHO....I think a new topic should takes it place......Anyone agree??? |
carol_ca
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 10:00 pm: | |
wow....What a discussion. I will say, I identify as femme. I dont have a problem with labels, unless they are used to put people down for who they are. I have been out many many years..27 years are so. I have the greatest respect For Stone Butch and any Stone Butch or Old School Butch, who came through the Stonewall era. They paved the way for us today. I have been fortunate enough to know lesbian's from this era and to listen to there stories of what they went through and to read books about Stonewall. You have my respect and a thank you to all who went through Stonewall. |
Mouses Ear
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 7:55 pm: | |
Thought I'd put my two cents in- Brings to my mind the following:
Sisterhood:
Our lives flow into each other as wave flows into wave, and unless there is peace and joy and freedom for you, there can be no real peace or joy or freedom for me
To see reality not as we expect it to be but, as it is - is to see that, unless we live for each other and in and through each other, we do not really live very well ; that there can really be life, only where there is, in just this sense, Love. ........F. Beuchner
I hope we all can disagree , agreeable-
Something I've been learning and working on daily |
sali stern
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 2:56 pm: | |
I can't believe a simple discussion , a flow of opinions and ideas has degenerated into personal attacks upon one another. Perhaps we might think about looking not at ones gender or sexual proclivities in the negative ,re: fault finding or otherwise, but rather use this as an open ended forum where more positive attitudes prevail. I find it disheartening to read messages from such a tightly knit group as we are, where friendships and caring have grown ,with messages that now seem to put some of us on edge. Might it not be more prudent at this juncture to start afresh with the idea being to support and affirm one another as oppossed to personalizing are responses? |
Donna
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 12:01 am: | |
Thanks for the post Freedom.
My computer disconnected while in the chat room, but will take a break for awhile. It is fun though.
Donna |
Freedom2u
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 11:32 pm: | |
Donna,
I am a young lesbian, meaning I just came out about three years ago.
I can certainly relate to the fear of rejection you must feel with your family.
Just know that if and when you make the switch over, it can be very freeing.
I hate it when others control our lives, and threaten us.
So what we love someone...a woman... NOT!!
We love a person!!! Nothing more.
Anyway that is my view.
And by the way.... weather someone is butch or femme it makes no difference either way. We are lovong and that is what matters the most.
Freedom |
halyn
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 9:51 pm: | |
PS I identify .. withing the subheading of lesbian .. within the greater catagory of homosexual .. as Butch .. with no apologies to anyone. |
halyn
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 9:49 pm: | |
Gee, EM .. it is too bad that you cannot seem to understand what tooshy is saying .. and .. choose to just simply close your mind and quit trying .. the "we" tooshy referred to , in context, simply meant "lesbians as a group" .. possibly "homosexuals as a group" .. and .. she is right .. "we" in that context were often considered "evil". Pity. I do not like the patriarchal power structure, either, but I'll be damned if I'll consider my son to have been less than a necesary and welcomed participant in the human condition. |
EM
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 5:37 pm: | |
You actually stated: once we would have been destroyed as evil simply for existing. We cannot standby and do the same or allow the same to be done to others.
You basically insinuated that I was evil, simply for expressing an opinion with which you did not agree. And you added insult to injury with every response.
My patience has reached its limit on this subject.
You seem to be one who must have the last word in every discussion. So be it. Respond to this and let it be done. I shall no longer discuss this subject.
Finis.. |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 5:17 pm: | |
I've reread every line I wrote and at no point did I accuse EM of being evil - apparently anything I say is now misunderstood and cannot possible do less good.
Again EM - it is your right to disagree - if you also reread every line you may find you said
you
"have little use for males in any manner, could simply do without males and their obnoxious and violent attitudes towards females and life in general. Males have a very long history of fomenting hate and war and death in this world. That was my point.
Also, science might one day replace that sperm.. thus, no more need for the male species. That was also my point."
These were your words not mine. Taken at their face value I responded.
I don't understand where you found me saying you were evil - I said that at one time in history "we" as a group would have been destroyed as evil for existing - and for that reason alone we should attempt more understanding.
I'm tired of quarreling - there is no argument in the first place - I attempted to clarify and only created more confusion.
I guess it was too much to expect objectivity |
Donna
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 4:05 pm: | |
I don't know why I feel compelled to put in here one of my favorite quotes, but I do, so here goes:
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, nor
touched...but are felt in the heart.
~~~Helen Keller~~~
Donna |
Donna
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 1:04 pm: | |
EM,
I just emailed out the pics. I sent 11 of them. Hope I didn't overload you, but there are awesome pics of Le Gallienne included.
Donna |
Donna
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 12:49 pm: | |
EM,
I think I have the link to send the pics. Keep a look out and see if you recieve them.
Thanks,
Donna |
Donna
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 12:44 pm: | |
Hi EM,
Most of the pics are from her on stage, but there is one that was taken in her workshop at home, which I really like as it is HER.
I really like this site and from what I've read on the message board, I like what I see because it shows we are all human and that all can agree, disagree or be neutral, but still be close. I like that. Hope to meet you all in chat as I think this is a great group of women.
EM, where do I sent the pics to?
Donna |
EM
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 12:14 pm: | |
Donna, my sincere apologies for ignoring your kind offer to Contribute your Images of Eva Le Gallienne to our Community Galleries. Please do submit them and I shall review and consider them for inclusion into the Notable Womyn Gallery.
The Ladies tend to gather evenings for chat. Please feel welcome to join them at your convenience.
Good day to you.
EM
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EM
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 11:56 am: | |
No, to disagree is not evil, but to infer that I was evil because you disagree with my opinion is simply plain insulting.
There is nothing special regarding me.. I am simply a Lesbian who took advantage of the opportunity to assemble a Community for the enjoyment of other Lesbians. I never expected or desired anyone to agree with my idealogy, but also never expected to be attacked for it.
I do not care if you disagree with me or not, because this is and shall always be an open forum, but I do very much resent being referred to as evil simply because my ideals are different from yours. My opinions are my own and I make no apologies for them. But, neither shall I ever refrain from expressing them because others might disagree.
You are free to come and go as you desire.. it is an immense Internet. No one shall ever be banned simply because they disagree with me. But, kindly never personally insult me again, eh? It is not at all appreciated. |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 10:10 am: | |
*shaking my head in confusion* - to disagree is not evil.
EM you must remember that as you own this site some people will believe that everyone within it has your philosophy and if we do not remain silent when you disagree with us we may be disallowed to the site and our friends. Your message board is an open forum I hope.
I am as everyone knows stubborn in my ways, vehement in my responses, quick in defense of my friends. I have no grudges here, don't wish to hurt you at all, but also do NOT wish for that appearance of ridigity to become the party line within our group.
Sorry EM - I may be banned from chat - I may even not belong here as I have such ideas - but I am here for now and until you refuse me access.
Tooshy does not indicate too silent. |
Donna
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 6:24 pm: | |
Well this is definitely a fun group. Now, I'm ready for chat. When is that?
EM, can I send you some pictures of Eva LeGallienne to put up on the site? You already have my favorite one of her on the site, but I have a few you could add, if you'd like.
Donna |
EM
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:56 pm: | |
So now I am considered evil because I chose to express my opinion and you were in disagreement?! |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:49 pm: | |
((((EM)))))
I do not challenge your right to your opinions.
My experiences with males has been sometimes good sometimes bad not one or the other. I must also say not all my experiences with women have been positive.
Maybe the point I make is to judge each person as they present themselves to you not the entire group by a few.
As we start each day with a new beginning - we can create of it anything we choose. I hope to spread a smile, a bit of love, some compassion and tenderness before the sun sets and I lie down to sleep. That my friends makes me neither good nor bad but trying.
It is my nature to rise in defense of injury. We must remember that as StoneButch said once we would have been destroyed as evil simply for existing. We cannot standby and do the same or allow the same to be done to others. |
EM
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 3:51 pm: | |
You misunderstand, tooshyred.. I do not hate males. My only son is male. I love him more than life itself. I could simply do without males and their obnoxious and violent attitudes towards females and life in general. Males have a very long history of fomenting hate and war and death in this world. That was my point.
Also, science might one day replace that sperm.. thus, no more need for the male species. That was also my point.
Look, my opinion is mine to express. My life has been shaped and formed by both females and males.. I simply prefer Women as their existence has been kinder in my life. If your experiences with males were less than stellar, then I believe that your attitude might be just a bit different. So allow me my opinion, eh? That is my right. Just as it is yours to disagree. But, I certainly refuse to remain quiet simply to avoid the bruising of sensibilities. |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 2:51 pm: | |
well now I'm offended. I am mother to 3 sons, grandmother to 2 male and 3 female children. Because I love women I should HATE my sons?
A world without males is Nirvana? EM - you may choose to hate males - it is your life path and your experiences which form your opinions. I do not hate males. I do not have any reason to hate males. I chose the path I walk and I do it with my head held high as a complete Femme and that of course is also a label I accept.
BTW sperm is only created by males - should you eliminate all males you will destroy humanity. Without them you have NO children and to that end I would ask if we should then destroy all male babies at birth? How far do you take hatred?
My sons love me as I am not as others expect me to be and I will tell you now THEY are the only people in the world that have any influence on my behaviour.
Gay/Lesbian/Bi? who really gives a hoot in hell?
Hank is right we've all seemed to have forgotten we come together in unification - not to destroy humilate or hurt. We play together and exchange ideas as ADULTS I think not children having only one view allowed.
What you do in your homes, in your bedrooms is the business of only the people inside them. What we do as a group reflects each other to the straight world whether we wish it to or not.
EM I never claim to speak for everyone, nor have I heard anyone in our circle claim to speak for all but I have recently heard people suffering and hurt because they were not allowed the freedom to express themselves without repercussions. THAT I find the most offensive.
Do we no longer care if we hurt each other?
oh and Hank - I believe Donna thought you had written my responses. *G* - you have now officially been mistaken for a femme *G* and not just any femme but the redhead midget AF LMBO
Donna, ROTFL means to roll on the floor laughing
and LMBO means to laugh my behind off and AF as those who chat with me know is my own made up abbreviation for Adult Femme (most dangerous of animals) these are chat abbreviations we all use and forget that when your new to chat - they mean nothing at all -
As for my response that you choose who you wish to be - I agree you must view what your reality is and choose for you what is right. Talk with attorney's in your state as to the legality of losing your sons. Make your choices with knowledge not fear. Then live in peace as I wish you only contentment.
Again I've reached a boiling point and exploded - Sorry ladies.
Stone Butch you've been my friend, online since I came in a bit more than 2 years ago wide-eyed and learning - I thank you for being exactly you. The love you and LadyBug have for each other the roads you walked to get to where you are all have been examples I grew from. *tossin a koyc* as always your dignity and understanding brings tears to my eyes.
I love my friends online - please remember how we came to be. Let us not come apart, reaching a point where our chat becomes so unfriendly we emulate the other site which no longer welcomes us. |
EM
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 2:06 pm: | |
Yes, we are all entitled to express our own opinion.. but one must not deign to speak for everyone.
I feel that I am a Lesbian, first and foremost.. that is what shapes my attitudes, personality and my life in general. I was born to love Women. Being a Woman goes without saying, as Lesbians are Women by definition.
I am also a mother, but that also goes without saying, as mothers are Women by Nature's choice.
Actually, males are quite unnecessary for fertilization.. only the sperm is necessary. Women carry the children and give birth, nurture and generally raise the children to adulthood. And if science continues on at its brisk pace, males may soon become obsolete. What a lovely world that would be, eh, Ladies? Pure Nirvana. But, until then, there is no alternative other than to tolerate them, I suppose.
This Board is provided for us all to vent and/or to express our opinions. But be prepared for disagreeing replies and counterpoints. That is natural, healthy behavior. We are all individuals who possess our own unique views on life in general or on any other subject. And we are all entitled to express them here on this Board. That is its purpose, Ladies. |
HANK@™
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 12:35 pm: | |
OK!! Seems to me we all have forgotten that who we are is who we are!!..Takes many to make up this world....and we all have Labels!! He/She is Wonderful...sweet...stupid...intelligent...crazy...straight....gay...lesbian....or what ever!! Its not the label that counts...it is Who you are and how you conduct yourself with others and the world...is He/She loving...compassionate...honest...a friend and have respect for others? and how others see you and feel.
I for one have no problem with Men...they are very neccessary in this life...after all if it wasn't for a man...I would not be here!! I can get along with the best and the worst of them as I can get along with the best and worst of women. Its up to me as to how I conduct myself.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on anything...in the world...in life and on this message board and that is what this message board is about...stating their opinions...one of the freedoms we are fighting for in the world.
As I have stated before...I am Butch...but Woman first...Mother second...lesbian third.....but as a woman loving women is a priority in my life....and whether I am Butch ... Femme...Stone...Tweener...or whatever...all that matters is how a partner sees and loves me and how we conduct intimacey in the privacy of our home is no ones business....and a label does not always matter one way or another...the main thing is who YOU are and how you feel about yourself with your partner and your friends.
I thank you Em for allowing all the nice ladies express thier opinions. Whether I agree with them or not is not the issue....it is good to see the insight of some of the ladies and share! I am very fond of all the Ladies....and they are Family to me and make my day!!
Donna..I think tooshyred was referring to my pic in Gallery #6...Stetson and twinkle in eye..she has always said that!! LOL....I also do not understand just what your asking me to reply too?
HANK@™ |
Donna
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 10:31 pm: | |
EM,
I re-read my post and sorry I forgot to include the name of my favorite actress, who I believe is the greatest ever, Eva Le Gallienne. The one photograph of her on this site is one of my favorites of her.
I found the rest of the posts interesting as far as the terms of "lesbian" and "gay". I have to admit that I haven't thought about as deep as some of you have. My reason for preferring the word "gay" over "lesbian" is because of the way it sounds. "gay" sounds happier. No pun intended.
But, I do like saying "a woman who loves women". Even though I have nothing against males. There are 3 males in my life who I love more than anything in the world: my two sons and my father.
Oh, by the way, I have more photographs in my folder of Eva Le Gallienne,if you'd like I can email them to you for your site. Let me Know.
Donna |
EM
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 9:13 pm: | |
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
You stated yours and I stated mine.
So be it.. as should it be always.
EM |
Stone Butch
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 9:05 pm: | |
EM I apologize if I offended you in any way it certainly was not my intention. I have never been in these rooms before and thought it a good place to chat. I came across this message area and found a good question to which to reply, however I will not interject any more of my personal opinions on this matter. TY for listening.... |
EM
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
As was my statement personal preference. I dislike the term 'gay' as describing Lesbians, as do I 'dyke'. Lesbians are not gay, they are Lesbians. We are not males, we are females. I dislike being lumped together with males. I have little use for males in any manner, and I resent being termed as are they.
This is my personal opinion and preference. You may refer to yourself as whatever you desire, but do not include me in that reference, please. I am a Lesbian, and am extremely proud of that fact.
EM |
Stone Butch
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 7:05 pm: | |
EM I think each woman should deciede for herself what she choses to be: however, I dislike the word Lesbian as it is a hetero terminology. Homosexual was first used for ALL gay people then the hetero distinctions came around and THEY divided us by using homosexual as male and lesbian as female. In the late 60's gay was adopted by both males and females so as not to divide the gay community any furthur. If you prefer lesbian as many women do to differentiate than that is personal choice and I believe that is what the question was. "How do you categorize yourself". I would not pretend to put my opinion on anyone, it is just a personal preference. Thanks. |
EM
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 3:39 pm: | |
Women are not gay.. males are gay. Women are Lesbians. Regardless of labels or titles, we are all Lesbians.
Personally, I dislike labels. I am a Lesbian, pure and simple. I am not gay. I am not a dyke. I am not kiki, whatever that may be. I am neither femme nor butch. I am simply a Lesbian.. a Woman who prefers Women. Period.
EM |
Stone Butch
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 3:28 pm: | |
Well, you want to talk about titles LOL. I am a Stone Butch, much mistunderstood word which has little to do with touch or not touch LOL. I say may the powers that be bless all "femmes", they are the finest. I dislike being downed because I have a Title for myself, not a label. I am of the old school butch.....too late to change now LOL. It is wonderful to hear so many voices of women who can come together and agree in some cases to disagree. I am a Stonewall survivor and I went through too much in the 60's to react too strongly to those who do not like the butch/femme categories......bless all gay women and let them appreciate that at least we are not still burned as witches............................ |
EM
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 1:17 pm: | |
Donna, may I inquire as to which actress you are referring?
EM
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Donna
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 8:22 am: | |
Hi Hank,
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that no one has the right to tell who we can be, but I suppose in my case it is up to me to either accept what my family says or do what I want and possibly pay severe consequences and although I long to be free and me, but the fear that it may be possible for my sons to be taken from me is not a chance I want to take.
I'm glad I found this site. And for me to find a picture of my all time favorite actess (who is pretty much unknown to most people)on this site was really a joy.
Uh, Hank....with my having two young sons that keep me on my toes.......sometimes, my brain is not in my head....so, I don't understand what you meant by :
a Kind is a thing I'm not LOL - but it's the question what kind of lesbian are you that rotflmao - can make me giggle for hours.
and what is this:
twinkle and the stetson
LOL
??????????????????????????
Donna
I hope you answer this quick as I'm going to be thinking about it until you reply. lol |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 3:28 pm: | |
How it saddens me to read those painful words Donna. I have 3 children all grown now but yes I know that Children are our lives. I'm terribly glad you've found us and that you can see through our words we are caring, women who come together to chat, agree, disagree and in total have lots of fun. We discuss nearly any subject and find time to be at play as well.
Only you can determine your way to live your life. No one has the right to tell you what you can or cannot do - think - say - or be. Be proud to be you - that's all any of us can be ultimately and be the best you possible. Join us in chat and be at ease - we have open hearts and usually open minds.
Oh and EM - a Kind is a thing I'm not LOL - but it's the question what kind of lesbian are you that rotflmao - can make me giggle for hours.
Hank - you are perfectly you - but the twinkle and the stetson are a dead give-away. *smoochie* |
Donna
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 5:12 pm: | |
I just found this site yesterday and I've toured all through the site and it's wonderful.
I don't have much to contribute because I've been struggling with trying to "come out" for years. I don't consider myself butch or femme, I'm kind of in between. I look more butch than I am. I guess I'm a tomboy who prefers other tomboy types. lol
I come from a close knit Italian family and although I think my family suspects, and they've thrown remarks out in the sense that if I did come out, I would be pretty much isolated from my family and that is hard to take and so for years, I've been living a life that is not me. Of course, I've had relationships on the "sneak" but relationships don't last when you have to hide. I did the kid thing.....never married, but had two children with a former boss. He is not in our lives. I came close to coming out and my parents must have realized this as they then told me that if I ever live "that" lifestyle they will take me to court and have my kids taken from me. That ended it. I'm scared to death of losing my kids. They are my life. They are 6 and 4 years old. I started late. I'm 41.
Well I'll close this now. Don't want to bore you, but wanted to introduce myself and remark on a wonderful site you have created.
Donna |
HANK@™
| | Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 11:06 am: | |
Well Well Well......Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
First I want to thank the Ladies for the Kind words and praise. It is our pleasure to be able to have such wonderful ladies in this community and for that we are Blessed.
Now...to the Butch/Femme Thingy!!!
I grew up in the OLD lesbian community....Dykes...Butch ..Femme.....Kiki not sure I am familar with that one!!
Dykes in my day was not a very good term...this meant the women were more men than women and who wanted that? I really dislike being called a DYKE!!
First off I am a Woman..that comes first..I like silky things... nice smelling things ....but in my day I could be just a tough as the next guy...was always a tomboy. But being married and raising a daughter I did have the normal femme traits but still a tomboy! When I came out into the Lesbian world I had no idea who was what..and didn't care...I came out...that was important...I came out and I was free to be 'Me' after so many years....But in those days role playing was important and of course my natural course was Butch...and I have followed that route ever since....BUT!! I have no problems with anyone who does not identify one way or another...that is their choice...The mere fact that as Lesbians we are free to be who we are is most important..as long as Ladies are honest loving and compassionate then they have a foot in the door with me. Women loving Women is one of the most gentle and rewarding experience in a Lesbians life and should be nourished to the fullest. Loving a Woman means 'sharing' your life together and not 'controlling' your life together..and when it comes right down to it doesn't matter, when 2 hearts become one and all the love is felt in intimate moments, Role playing is not part of that...Love is!
As I have said I am Butch...BUT...I am a woman first and I am ME and I love Women!!
HANK@™ |
EM
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 8:30 pm: | |
ok, my curiosity is definitely piqued.. just exactly what is a 'kind'? might someone please explain?
EM |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 8:31 pm: | |
hmmm around and around we go.....
Label's as lesbian well yes I suppose I am also labeled as human - female - some days as bitchy - some as - tender all things we say about ourselves is and has always been a "label" - I am most importantly - caring, loving, strong, independent, able - more labels - ROTFLMAO - is there anything that we can describe about ourselves that is NOT a label??????
I'm not a "kind" - I am a femme
AND by the way
May I second the wonderful accolades upon Hank and EM for their time, concern, efforts on the behalf of each and every one of the ladies who travel the internet. |
Melly
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 7:45 pm: | |
I am already a label by being a lesbian,I trully do not need to be, another label in the lesbain community. However,I do undertand that other people would like to acknowledge themselves as a "kind" on the same level that I wouldn't.
THIS MELLY, signing out..... |
Toader.
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 3:04 pm: | |
*~ HANK. ~* & *~ EM. ~*
...With this glass of wine,
I toast two Great Ladies so very fine;
Here is to Hank & EM,
Our lives are blessed because of them.
They are both our leaders and our teachers;
Putting so much of themselves into altladies.com,
The pillars our Community rests on.
Doling out both Love and "discipline" in
equal shares;
Only shows how much they care.
But.....Males.....BEWARE! )o:
So, I toast these Great Ladies so fine;
and I am very thankful they are Friends of mine!
*H* ==> *Hank*. & *Em*.
Love, *Toader*. |
Toader.
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 1:38 pm: | |
To((( Tooshy))
Thanks for the support!!!
I agree with you;
It matters not what "title" I bear,
I treat ALL women true;
Love her,Respect her,Be her Strength,
And ALWAYS tell her the Truth...
*Toader.* |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 5:48 pm: | |
((((((Toader))))))))
thanks hon for being just as you are. We adore you would ask nothing be changed. A strong butch willing and able to cry - nuffin wrong with that I'd say.
Love ya lots my friend!!
And I thought I was through with this discussion -yet on and on the battle rages - are we this or are we that - should we say this or should we allow that - for gawds sake - I for one care not a whit what YOU call me - it's what I call myself when your not around that is important.
I'm important only to those who know and love me -we can't determine ourselves by others idea of what we should be. That my friends returns us to the climate of hide, hate, abuse. |
Toader
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 4:06 pm: | |
I am proud to be a member of a Global Family
that are:
*One Heart,One Mind;
Look to the Four Corners of Mother Earth,
and you will find,
Unique Creatures of infinite beauty & worth;
Women,wonderous Women,
A multitude of Cultures,Faiths,a Rainbow blend
of Colors,Women of all kind.*
*Toader*.
*Just a Butch who can cry with the Best of Them.*
(o: |
superbytch
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 12:52 am: | |
Does the dyke clone look telegraph "serious politics" and does my superchic femme look telegraph "stupidity, bad in bed, stupid"
I am tough, strong, independent, aggressive and butch on the inside. A real top. But when I go to girl bars I feel that people look right through me because I have long blond
hair ....I get frustrated, horny ,angry and I leave without getting any.
am a curvy kiki with a man inside her.. I love old school butch dykes (yes!) and identify with them on the inside but what I really love to love beautiful girls. Thats what turns me on. Fat OK I love fat girls especially blond, kind, gentle, intelligent.
Superbytch |
EM
| | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 12:48 pm: | |
Kiki is a new term on me, but gays also identify as with different degrees of gayness.. from the 'manly butches' to the 'flaming queens'. So, why would anyone believe that it should be any different regarding Lesbians?
I suppose that it is according to ones personal opinions and experiences, but I believe that ALL of the terms utilized to describe Lesbians are derogatory, so I choose to refer to myself as a Lesbian.. because that is simply the primary definition of what I am. And, I must admit that I am extremely proud of that title/label. |
Fluttrbye
| | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 12:25 pm: | |
Personally, I describe myself as "tomboy", gay or
simply....female. From living in the south, redneck country, I found that
generally, society uses the following terms in such a derrogatory manner, I
just don't include them in my vocabulary: lesbian, homosexual, dyke, butch,
trucker momma...etc. Outward appearance simply isn't enough to help me know
about a person. Yes, attraction has to be there for me but I want to know what
the heck is down inside someone's heart. Is it paved in gold? That matters
most to me. So throw those darned labels away ladies. They don't do me a bit
of good anyway! |
melly
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 4:27 am: | |
A male gay friend of mine can not understand us lesbians because we have degrees of Butchness and kiki. I'm like whatever. Hey were lesbians...and naturaly lesbians are picky..am I right or wrong Chikas!!!  |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 10:48 pm: | |
Hello! I like to think of myself as a "Functional Femme". I like to be independent and strong. I can climb ladders and paint and use a gas-powered weed-eater. I even backed up a trailor to load my new couch on! I have short fingernails because I play the piano. I don't wear much make-up because I'm an occupational therapist and during my work day, make-up would either get rubbed off or sweated off! I'm not into frills and lace, but I can wear a dress and walk in heels and have some girly ways about me. And who doesn't love Bath & Body Works!? And what's interesting to me is that I'm sexually attracted not to other women in general, but to butches only. My preference is soft butches, but even soft butches are still butches. They're not femmes. I'm not attracted to femmes. Something inside me knows other femmes. And something inside me really recognizes non-femmes. And it's not only something as shallow as how a person looks. It's felt. It's felt or seen or recognized from way across a room full of people when all you can see of a woman is her eyes. |
Mary Sunshine
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 4:32 pm: | |
Hi!
I'm a "tweener" or "ki-ki" . . . but I also identify as a Dyke (relative to the patriarchy) cuz that's what I am. :-) |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 8:42 pm: | |
well here I go again,
Right you are LadyBow - we all should have the absolute right to be whatever we feel most comfortable being. You know I can and do get into jeans, sweats, and tennies - it would be a bit ridiculous to work in the yard in heels and dresses don't you think.
I've been single a very,very, long time, and if work was to get done - guess what I had to jump off muh swing, get down and dirty and get it done. Still I love coming back inside bubble baths and perfumes and - nails and hair - make-up and silk - and there you have my way of life. I do what I must do - and I wear what I want to wear - yet in chats - (other than with you my loves) I was always shouted down for claiming myself as I am - and this my loves I guarantee is my last word on this one - LadyB - ^5 for being you - that's the best thing any of us can be. |
LadyBow
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 1:23 pm: | |
Good Afternoon Ladies .
This is Lady Bow and guess what ? I am femme. *S* I love my soft clothes be it lace or silk or what ever. This femme wears makeup, jewelery dresses etc. But i also love to have jeans and sweat shirts at times . The reason i identfy as femme started when i was single. Iam attrached the female body only but not to makeup perfume etc. so as not to waste anyones time. i identfied as femme and it has been that way eversense. Oh yes as a femme that was looking for a butch. Oh my did i ever find one in Bow *G* . I do believe that we all have the right to use these terms or not . what bothers me is that some dont believe that we each have the right to use them .to all my sisters in altladies tys for you all being you . bye now :-) |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 9:21 pm: | |
Moon sweetheart - I would hate for you to steal my thunder and love my lace and silk *S* - what would I do if you all wanted to wear my stuff??? I'd have to change and become you - just to be different rotflmao - I like us as we are - each of us brings something unique to the world and it is as it should be - time for me to let this soap-box go to the next in line. I love you all - thanks for the smiles, giggles and just warm fuzzies you always give. oh BTW - Schwartzie - I think your the best to admit you've got the femme leanings - I can live with that!! |
Schwartz_fire
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 1:52 pm: | |
Hmmmm....Butch, Femme, Tweener, etc....all women are beautiful in their own way, even more so when they have the confidence to be who they are. As for myself, I don't ID as any of the above, just "lesbian", but when pressed (for example, describing oneself in chat to someone who can't see or hear you) I suppose I'm a Tweener with repressed Femme tendencies! |
Moonsparkz
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 9:26 pm: | |
According to family legend, my dislike of lace was nearly immediate. As the first girl child I was a disappointment to a young mom who wanted to dress me in frilly baby clothes. Im told that my response was to howl and tear at the lacy parts. She lucked out on the second one and got her femmy girl child.
After that...they dressed me in cotton ...tees and denims and flannels and here I am now
Moonsparkz |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 7:28 pm: | |
*W* Echos -
Honey - be all you can be *G* - wear what you will - I don't think lace is picky if you get the right lace ROTFL - and silk - well slippery perhaps but - hmnnnnnnnnn - love that slide |
echos_hills
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 11:34 pm: | |
well well, labels huh? hmmmm I am just me, just as you see on the screen. But, I most certainly couldn't identify as being butch and I like a soft butch, so guess that puts me onto the femme side of the fence :-) And, hey up there tooshy, lol lace is picky and silk is slippery, so I will maintain being a femme and not have to wear it. (well maybe once in awhile)(wink)
Hmmm I am gonna have to revisit here from time to time--might be interesting :-) |
tooshyred
| | Posted on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 8:57 pm: | |
((((((Barb)))))))((((Meg))))))((((EM))))))
To be ourselves - and to be accepted as a friend either in chat or outside - is what we all hope for.
Barb - you my darlin - just wanna make my points **GG** and ya always manage to make a couple.
Meg, EM - and all my chat darlins - you make life fun - we argue - we tease - we enjoy - what more could friends ask for?
Outside in r/t - I've met both the challengers and those who think I'm ok as a "full femme" friend - usually I just find in r/t they look at me and decide yes/no without verbalizing. If by looking at me I'm determined too frilly to be friends - PFFFFFT - I care?????? NOT!! However - look deeper my dears and you may find that frilly - femme - does not equate to STUPID and vapid - *S* - I earn my own way - I must have something in the head besides - "smoke" *G* - once again you've allowed me to jump on my soapbox and - let me run - TYVM I adore you each and Barbs could be you have earned a merit or maybe even 2.....
Tooshy does not mean too quiet |
Barb2U
| | Posted on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:54 pm: | |
Tooshy darlin- keep bein just who you are. I love whatever you do- it is natural- as we all must be to be ourselves. I suppose I am "old school" butch- but have always been attracted to femme women.
When it comes to personal friends- no labels are really ever used. My company of friends is, and has always been based on the individual, not a label. Honesty, integrity, and compassion do not associate by label. |
SugarPie
| | Posted on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 7:31 pm: | |
Tooshy.........
Please be who you are darling. LIfe is too short to try and please everyone. I don't know where I fit in. I am just happy being me.
I am told I am a tweener LOL.
I enjoy chatting with you and I'm glad that you don't step on my toes with your stilletos *W*.
God Bless, SugarPie-aka-meg |
EM
| | Posted on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 7:29 pm: | |
Entirely my pleasure, tooshyred.
EM
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tooshyred
| | Posted on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 7:01 pm: | |
I always identify as fully femme - yet I started out in chats as defender of no label identifications. I find I cannot be other than I am - I'm not comfortable trying to be and I'm too old to try to change.
I love my silks and laces (as I've loudly stated) and I love my nails and my frills. I look towards the more "butch" to allow me to be all I am without rancor or having to defend my right.
I have found that when you identify as fully femme and no regrets that others find it uncomfortable and choose to attack for no better reason than that I don't fit the "lesbian" profile!! when did it become necessary to be "uniformed" to be just who we are??? I'm just gonna have to continue stomping on those toes with my stilettos (which I adore) til they remember that lesbian is not a LOOK. = *S* thanks EM for opening this door to my favorite pet peeve |
EarthMother (Admin)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:53 am: | |
Personally, I identify as a Lesbian.
Umm.. as far as Femme vs. Butch, I identify as neither. I am a 'Tweener, I suppose. 
I must admit that I am extremely attracted to Femmes, though.. *sigh*
EM
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